Fuck All of Us for the Mosque Debate

by Ryan Singel on August 20, 2010

The controversy over the planned mosque in lower Manhattan, blocks from the site of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, led me to go back to re-watch Spike Lee’s 25th Hour, the first movie to try deal with the emotional reverberations of that terrible day of loss and suffering.

In that underrated movie, Edward Norton plays (a bit too heavily) a convicted drug dealer in his last day before heading off to a seven-year stint in prison. The brilliance of the set-up is the genuine sadness felt by his friends, his girlfriend and his father — none of whom are morally admirable — for the loss of Norton, who’s likewise a morally flawed human. There’s a subtle and subversive message there that undermines our natural inclination to turn all the 9/11 victims retroactively into angels. The point is simple — even if some of the people who died in the World Trade Center were assholes — and probably there were a fair share — the loss of them remains deeply sad.

And just as importantly, the point is that same urge for moral simplicity is just as wrong when people try to use it now to justify opposing a mosque several blocks away from the WTC (a site further away than at least two strip clubs). Conservatives who oppose government encroachment on religion and property rights are calling on the local bureaucracy to stop the mosque. Even Roger Pilon, a Cato Institute libertarian, got in on the conservative culture-war game, whining, like a 19-year old, newly minted feminist at a liberal arts school, about “sensitivity to the feelings of others.”

Hell, if Ted Olson, whose wife Barbara died on one of the hijacked planes, knows enough not to oppose the mosque, what the fuck is your excuse?

Fuck that. And fuck all of the opportunists and know-nothings going on about a mosque in New York City.

The urge to have an enemy and to believe you are on the right side in a worldwide struggle is a powerful one. You could ask the dead, fundamentalist hijackers about that one. But the mosque will fit in with strip clubs, shoe shine guys, over-priced vendors of crappy Statue of Liberty snow globes, immigrant-run corner stores, Starbucks, gay porn shops and Cuban restaurants extorting $25 a person for brunch. Because that’s the way NYC, and the best of this country, rolls.

So fuck all the “hard-hats” who say they won’t build the mosque, fuck the fat-bellied, privileged-but-whiny Midwesterners who don’t live anywhere near a city that’s likely a future target for fundamentalist crazies, fuck the ratings-craving, intellectually dishonest Fox News network for pushing this shit as if it were a real issue, and fuck all of you all for feeding the Islamic terrorist dogs. From where I’m standing, it looks like you want to hand them recruiting material, just so you’ll have something to bitch about at your next barbecue in suburbia, which will never ever be a target for al Qaeda.

Fuck Obama for not having the courage to come out and say, “Build the damn mosque, show the world how inclusive we are, and let’s get back to real issues.” Fuck Russell Simmons for not having the brains to know that al Qaeda was responsible for the first WTC bombing.

Fuck all the people just want something to hate, and man, is it easy to say that a mosque built on Ground Zero is a slap in the face, when in fact, it’s as God damn American as you are. Fuck you for not seeing that the right-wing is prone to blowing up federal buildings and shooting abortion doctors, channelling the same ideological shit that al Qaeda does.

Fuck all you mosque opponents.

If you were as angry as I am that the Bush administration fucked up finding, capturing or killing Osama bin Laden, or you were pissed that the war in Afghanistan wasn’t left to become a quagmire in desert, so that Cheney and Bush could one up Bush’s father, I might give you a pass. But you aren’t. You make excuses for them, since they channeled the same cowboy machismo that gives you a hard-on when you re-watch Top Gun for the 100th time.

Fuck you.

And fuck us as a country for not having learned jack-shit after 9/11. To his credit, George Bush did make it clear that he didn’t blame all Muslims — even as his Justice administration managed to make the Muslim community feel like targets, rather than a resource. But what did they call on us to do? Go shopping.

We had the chance to become a better people and a better country and instead we learned how to make better unmanned aircraft that can drop Hellfire missiles on compounds we suspect harbor terrorists, but often just house women and children.

And what about the issues that al Qaeda and its ilk exploits to gain new converts? The Palestinian issue is just as screwed as it’s ever been, in no small part because the government remains perpetually afraid to tell the Israeli rightists to go fuck themselves when the time is right. Kashmir is still screwed, while Somalia remains a nightmare.

There’s a fine saying, “If you want a friend, feed any animal.”

And from what I can tell, the right in this country wants a weird friendship with the movement that led to 9/11, because they keep feeding them. Me, I want to starve those cave-dwelling, fundamentalist monkeys.

To which I can only say, channeling Spike Lee’s hatred/love poem to New York: Fuck all of you and fuck us all. We got the country and discourse we deserve, and the humans incinerated on 9/11 died for nothing, thanks to us.

{ 12 comments… read them below or add one }

tim August 20, 2010 at 6:17 am

Real time feeds can be _____… hi Ryan!

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tim August 20, 2010 at 6:17 am

I like “singel minded”

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jamie berger August 22, 2010 at 8:16 am
jamie berger August 22, 2010 at 2:50 pm

P.S. My more more serious takes. Fuck me, I’m part of the fucking discourse:

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/blogs/home.cfm?aid=12185
http://www.valleyadvocate.com/blogs/home.cfm?aid=12187

P.P.S Hiya Ryan, long fucking time.

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Ray August 22, 2010 at 9:21 pm

Well written with a strong message. This whole debacle exposes how backward we really are here. We are complaining about a religious establishment being built meanwhile our government has taken away all our rights and we now live in a police state.

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Tony Moreno August 22, 2010 at 11:19 pm

I’m fine with the mosque, if they do not teach radical Islam.
I’m dissappointed with my political party’s position.
I’m disgusted with all news outlets, including Fox News.
….but F-You too, I work for Aeronautical Systems Group (ASG)
We put the Hellfire system on our Predator A’s because our pilots got tired of watching Serbian soldiers roll into Bosniak villages and commit acts of genocide.
Nothing is ever black and white, but the gratefulness of a Bosnian cab driver I met in Germany last year makes me very happy for the part we (ASG) played.
http://www.uav.com

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Ryan Singel August 22, 2010 at 11:25 pm

Tony,

Fair enough, fuck me too.

Thanks for the comment. I’m smarter for it.

RS

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RandyS August 23, 2010 at 1:36 am

Thought I was listening to Aenima by Tool…

Obviously Ryan holds some bitterness towards the Bush Administration, but in spite of that, I can concede many of his points.

However… what rips ME the most about this controversy is that anyone with a brain realizes that if the shoe were somehow on the other foot, there is no f-ing way that a synogogue, church, cathedral or temple could ever built in ANY Muslim-controlled state and the ones that still exist in places like Turkey, Lebanon, etc. are under constant pressure to go away.

We, the people, are not taking away anyone’s religious freedoms. In the Christianity that I grew up with, we were taught that the ‘church’ was not a building, but the collection of people that make it up. Churches are buildings and as such, are visible symbols of the religion that is housed there. After what happened on 9/11, even an idiot can see that this symbol will hurt the feelings of the indigenous tribes of NYC, NY and the USA.

In Islam, there are ‘holy places’ that commemorate what seems (in my mind) to be trivial happenings 1300 years ago. Our military purposefully did not destroy those holy places during the Iraq war. We left the destruction of Islamic holy places to other sects of Islam. How ironic, eh?

So, Ryan’s rant, on its face, rightfully pokes at us Americans for our hamhandedness in handling this whole issue of post-9/11 reaction. However, throw in the context of how Islam (in its current configuration) treats its own people, its competing sects and how it doesn’t even respect its own fundamental truths, and this fight takes on new meaning and added dimensions.

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Ryan Singel August 23, 2010 at 6:39 am

Randy, I respectfully disagree. I don’t give a fuck how Islamic countries would handle the same situation. I’m certain that Iran and Syria would act differently, but I refuse to let that be the standard I judge my country by. We are supposed to be the “shining city on the hill,” not a country that prides itself on being a little bit better than a murderous theocracy.

And yeah, I’m bitter about the Bush presidency fucking up Afghanistan, turning the NSA on the American people, embracing torture, undermining Habeas Corpus and launching a war against Iraq on false pretenses. I’m not much happier with Obama’s administration continuing the embrace of state secrets, refusing to revisit the warrantless wiretapping surrender of July ’08, authorizing assassinations of Americans, turning the net into a battlefield and using the no-fly list to expatriate citizens without due process.

But at least we aren’t as bad as Saudi Arabia, so I should stop whining.

BTW, did you see the video of the anti-mosque protest today where a black man almost got lynched for having the audacity to resemble a Muslim? The know-nothing right wing in this country is out of control.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/08/22/black-muslim-same-difference/

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Alan August 23, 2010 at 5:52 am

Hey Randy: like your parents told you — two wrongs don’t make a right. Do what’s right, don’t do what you believe the other guy would do if he were in your position. (a) he’s not; and (b) 9/11 was not an act committed by all of Islam, it was an act committed by terrorists.

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Brian September 7, 2010 at 5:20 pm

While I support the building of the mosque, I wish the Midwest would stop being a dumping ground for coastal commentary. It’s always easy to demonize the other; come and visit the Midwest before trouncing it.

Minneapolis, MN

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Byron November 4, 2010 at 6:33 am

A-fucking-men Ryan!

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